we did it in newark. we brought together right and left, the manhattan institute, a right-leaning think-tank and said let's keep people out of prison instead of a 65% recidivism rate. you have the largest prison population in the globe. >> jon: isn't the reverse theory if they know they are alone and helpless, then they will build their own homes and food. [laughter] >> honestly, as much as we like to joke, to me i think we can pull our country right and left together on these issues. we've created a pilot... >> it doesn't strike me. i never understood why it's a contentious issue. maybe the contentious issue is what the balance will be, but the idea that people who are down on their luck or suffering wouldn't have a social safety net that we all contribute to... >> but it's more than a social safety net. it's more than a social safety net. i challenge that metaphor. if you empower somebody to succeed and that child becomes a biologist, an entrepreneur, it grows our economy. we all benefit. we've saved th